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I learned about a new form at Poetic Asides, Robert Lee Brewer’s column for Writers Digest during the month of November. I attempted to write a glossa, but found it a beast I couldn’t tame. So I’m hoping everyone here at Mindful Poetry will take a stab—a strong one—and see if we can successfully mince this form into a teddy bear that we’ll cuddle and fawn over.
Studying a number of sites, I’ve determined that there is not a uniform guideline for us to follow. But there are some commonalities throughout and so I will blend my own rules. You may follow them or find another authority, but do follow the form as best you can.
What is non-negotiable:
- The poem begins with a text/texto/epigram.
- Write at least two stanzas in addition to the textoÂ
- In your own stanzas, use one line of your texto as either the first or last line of your stanza
- or use the texto line as both the first and last line of the stanza.
- (A simple example soon follows.)
We are going to use rhyme. Because there are so many variations of how your stanzas will look, I’ll leave the rhyming pattern up to you. Just make sure you include rhyme with the ending words.
The last stanza will be a repeat of your first stanza, which is also the texto, but in reverse order. Here’s one I wrote where I used the envelop rhyme pattern.
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My teaching example:Â
And even the suggestion of one of the forms,
when a poet understands it well,
can haunt a good poem like a ghost.
When writing a glossa, other work informs
the first lines of your poem; alien work warms
your reader's palate. In front, those lines dwell.
And even the suggestion of one of the forms
enhance your verse, might so much as foretell
whether your words wilt or swell.
Allow your own verse to brag and boast
when a poet understands it well
Laden your own lines like a well-oiled roast
so that they honor the invited text the most.
Include each imported line, it transforms
and can haunt a good poem like a ghost.
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(Italicized text at beginning from Patterns of Poetry, An Encyclopedia of Forms by Miller Williams, p. 12.)
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Finally, I remind you to visit our Feature Page at Mindful Poetry where you will see some fine Fibonacci poetry, December's FOTM in 2012. It will remain in that position 'til the end of the week when it will move aside for your glossas.
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Thanks for your recommendation on this post!
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Further research has brought this bubbling to the top and it is what I am now considering the truest form of a glossa. All other submissions in adherence to above links and examples will be gladly accepted, but the following clarity is most prized. For your inspection, we have had some Mindful Poetry members already use these guidelines with spectacular results.
"Glosa Verse - The glosa is an early Renaissance form that was developed by poets of the Spanish court in the 14th and 15th centuries. In a glosa, tribute is paid to another poet. The opening quatrain, called a cabeza, is by another poet, and each of their four lines are imbedded elsewhere in the glosa.
The opening quatrain is followed by four stanzas, each of which is generally ten lines long, that elaborate or "glosses" on the cabeza chosen. Each ending line (10th line) of the four following stanzas is taken from the cabeza. The usual rhyme scheme of a glosa is final word rhyming of the 6th, 9th and the borrowed 10th lines."





















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I started writing a teaching form, but in the end, didn't feel it turned out how I intended so I posted it as an example. But I needed to get this column out so I simply also posted the column unfinished.
In my sample glossa, I used three lines from Mark Strand. Then in the succeeding three stanzas, each stanza used a new line from the texto so that by the last of the stanzas, all of the lines had been used.
Finally, I reversed the order of the three lines of my texto for my final stanza.
From the links, it seems that all lines should be used, but there is variation as to where specifically they are used. I really need to get my teaching form written. I'm supposed to be working at the moment, but taking a short break. My client-project is very focused and I can only manage to stay focused for 30 minutes or so before needing a quick breather.
I expect to have my teaching form up tonight.
On the other hand, John, if you feel uncomfortable, go ahead and revise or remove.
Actually, I just had the idea that you could edit the one you've posted and explain how you've changed it to more closely follow the recommended guidelines. That would make a terrific teaching-form, I think.
Thank you for sharing and submitting to
The Surreal Circus.
It is now featured.
I think we have enough poets that will make a serious attempt to turn this form into the teddy bear you want.
Featured on Gather’s Luminous Writers & Artists.
Glossa is as old as the world, well give or take a few thousand years. Just because you discovered it now, it does not mean that it is a new form of poetry, and it does not mean that you can change the rules, which are very strictly defined.
But then again, in America we pretend to know a lot of things and we lack the common sense to do our homework before we open our mouths...
The first time I heard of this poetic genre was when I was in the grade school and we studied Romanian literature. In 1883, Mihail Eminescu born Mihail Eminovici, considered the greatest Romanian poet, who was some form of an reincarnated philosopher, published this poem "Glossa"
I have here for you an English translation which is important only to give you an idea about the tone of the poem, however in its original is has a rhythm created by the perfect rhyme that can't be translated.
The man was indeed a poet, however in his troubled youth, he audited courses in Classic German Philosophy in Vienna and Berlin, and he later on put some of those ideas in verses opening to the masses concepts of the formation of the universe, at a time when no one considered them heresy, but were not really accepted as possibilities outside of certain scientific circles. He died relatively young, of a shameful death, but those were the times when VDs were rampant, humanity did not know as much as they do today...
It was a strange coincidence that Eminescu published some of this poems around the time Einstein was born. I doubt that Einstein ever knew of Eminescu, or read his work, however Eminescu gave graphic images of the physical phenomena being demonstrated by him around the time he was born. I am sure that at one time or another, both of them took some classes in the same schools, being inspired by the same thinking...
Here is an example with two translations of one of those poem. La steaua
In essence "Glossa" by Eminescu is a philosophical attempt to defining life in general and our attitude in understanding it.
Some may consider it a wise but a negative approach to life, some may consider it a way to find interior peace by accepting life as it is, not having a preconceived idea of what life should be.
There were some writings on this particular poem done by some Indian scholars, who just so happen to be Buddhist, arguing that Eminescu was a` practicing Buddhist judged by his poem alone... I am not sure how authentic the writings were, or if they were fabrications of the propaganda machine of Communist Romania to prove the "universality" of the Romanian genius, but then again, who reads your post may get all sorts of wrong impressions also...
If I were you:
I would edit the posting, to make it a little more accurate;
in the future I would decide on my topics after I did my home work, and then you may delete my comment also, because it may not be a reflection of what you wrote...
But I am not you, and you may decide to ignore me...
I only brought about the Romanian version because I was more familiar with it. It must be common in all Romance languages, through the Latin roots, which in turn were inspired by the Hellenic language, they all follow the same metric structure in poetry. I did not claim any paternity to it...
Harsh comment? Ha, you have no idea what a harsh comment is when people try to pass for what they are not... I think that her handle is a little bit presumptuous when her knowledge in the field is so limited...
I see the role of the Internet as a place to learn not as a place to claim knowledge when obviously the knowledge is not there....
I was kicked out of this group once because the owner of the group committed a copy right violation and I was not shy to bring it up...
I met a doctor who re-defined the mission of the medical profession, trying to associate it with a religious nuance, and I can keep going...
I am sorry, but I won my wings the hard way, and I have the right to name a fake when I see one. I was convicted by a jury with fakes in it... One day, any of you may be in my position, and it would be a pity to have your life changed by a fake which does not even realize how little he or she knows...
As far as suggesting forms of the month it is fine, however it would have been better if introduced it in a different way...
"I learned about a new form at Poetic Asides, Robert Lee Brewer’s column for Writers Digest during the month of November".
Come on, children going to school learn about this "new form", in the fifth or sixth grade... They might not understand it but they do find out about it...
"I attempted to write a glossa, but found it a beast I couldn’t tame."
Of course it is difficult to tame, as long as one does not have any idea about what a glossa is, after all is a philosophical riddle, encapsulated by a strict format... Very few were written any way, it is not an easy way to do it. You may fake the format, but if you don't have the content, that is not a glossa...
Look at it this way John, after all we all learned something today... I wish I could find somebody treating me as "harshly", I would make sure next time around to have my home work done!
Peace!
I just don't envision that I would have ejected someone from the group because he or she disagreed with me. Or brought up a mistake or oversight of mine.
In fact, John's done that more than once, pointed out an error of mine. I depend on group members to help me out with understanding form and guidelines and history of form.
I definitely don't claim authority on any form except the anapeat.
However, my contention was not with the claim to originality, but with the lack of knowledge of poetry in general... "I learned about a new form ...." and because that was not bad enough, the idea to modify the structure of glossa is really laughable... To me it sounded like drinking Scotch with water or ice, drinking white wine with red meat or red wine with fish...
Ha, ha, ha, this is the trouble with us "foreigners", we pay too much attention to the written words, and we look for logic when we read a sentence on the paper...
So, if you wrote your prompt in such a manner to convince everyone that you "found out about this form of poetry, which has been around for ages and its structure imposes a certain rigid format, the term glossa means writing a stanza whose lines are the conclusion of each following stanzas in the poem and the last stanza is made of the first one in reverse order" I would have said nothing and enjoyed your initiative...
Now, had I seen this exercise in a group of engineers, for instance, I would have not reacted. Engineers, bless them, are good to engineer things, not write poetry, although some were good at that too, but to see this sort of redundancy in a poetry group is shocking...
You are so lucky I am not an expert in the field!...
Be honest Susan, if I used gentler approach, would have anyone bothered to read my contribution???
Susan Budig, so you know, is a decent human being who sincerely loves poetry in all its forms and has won her wings long ago!...
Susan did not claim to have discovered a newly created form of poetry, but rather meant to introduce a form that was new to her group as the form of the month.
If anyone might be rightly accused of being a fake, It would be you! With your pathological rant; first, simultaneously accusing her of plagiary and then of ousting you from her poetry group for your criticism of the alleged infraction... then you say you're not sure, without so much as an apology... but wait here's "the kicker"... You then say that you never got into a poetry group, because it's "not your cup of tea"... Talk about foreigners looking for logic!?... well, where is your logic now?
Your quote :
"... the idea to modify the structure of glossa is really laughable... To me it sounded like drinking Scotch with water or ice, drinking white wine with red meat or red wine with fish..."
What's really laughable are the trite expressions and the pretentious pairings of wine and fare... perhaps you should lay off of the scotch and wine for a while, and when you sober up and read how offensively you'd written to this dear lady, you will see that an apology is due...
So what if people want to modify the structure of a glossa...Big Effen deal!
How do you suppose that the various types of sonnet came into being? Well they wouldn’t have, if everyone held to the original form as rigidly as you think we should... There is a thing called innovation.
Here's a pairing you might wanna try... Courtesy and Kindness... they go well with everything.
I did not say anything about Susan character, I only alluded to her knowledge of poetry...
A lot of people love poetry, but very few understand it...
Besides, I thought that Susan does not need mouth pieces to talk for her!
Poets are usually mild souls with wounded hearts, and the best ones didn't allow their hearts to sour, instead they allowed the nectar came of their wounds to mingle with the elements of their minds and souls...And in this noble spirit, they find empathy for others and always look ambiguously at an offensive or ugly phrase, trying to understand the pain at the source of it.... If you are in pain, Crin, don't try to inflict pain on others that are just trying to enjoy something dear to their hearts.
I am something different, though, I will not shut up... And in defense of my gentle friends, I am relentless.
All I ask is that you reconsider your words and apologize to Susan... She really did not deserve any of that.
Crin, I did observe your comments--some, not many--as offensive. However I chose not to take offense. John Beck stepped in immediately and stood at my side as a true gentleman.
And now Renard Avanteguarde has gallantly rushed in to defend my honor. Neither are my mouthpiece; yes, I do speak for myself. But they both prove themselves to be gallant and faithful to our friendship.
I suggest we take a deep breath and let the wind out without further utterances. Let us put our energies into creatiing magic out of words and fables out of our natural world.
1. You stated that you were "kicked out of this group..." I understood you to mean this Mindful Poetry group. However I now believe you meant "this" referencing another group entirely.
Likewise, when I said I learned a "new form," I did not mean new-to-the-world, but new-to-me. Through some researched, I concluded that it was a very old form. The links I provided showed that it had a long history.
True, I could have done better homework. There was a good link I kept trying to follow, but consistently received an "error" message so I gave up. But the blurb I had read about that particular link indicated it was very thorough.
Here is a list of the forms we've covered since our beginnings over four years ago.
In a word, yes.
Finally, here is the group's description: This group shares poems written in form. We also teach one another new forms and provide encouragement to those who are new to a form of poetry. Each member is urged to make evaluative comments on one another's offerings. This group's focus is growth and development.
Mindful Poetry members abide by this. And also comments made on poems written for Mindful Poetry by its members are constructive and encouraging.
John Beck is Mindful Poetry's Poet Laureate chosen from last April's month-long contest. He is my torchbearer and for that I am always grateful.
I am going to say it again. I did not come to your group to look for an argument. I picked up your thread from a different member whose piece was featured in a different group, and who introduced yourself as the latest invention after the slice bread for discovering glossa and for giving instructions on how to write it...
I am aware that everyone learns throughout life, however that was a juicy one, so I ended up at your posting...
I was shocked by the general ignorance of those who pretend some sort of knowledge in the field...
As far as John is concerned, I don't even know why you are bringing him into the picture. He was a gentleman trying to defend you. He is a wise man and his comments are always welcome. I am glad that he was elected as your poet of the year, however, I don't see what's that got to do with the present thread...
In conclusion:
I am not a fan of poetry, especially this white verse style which is nothing more than riddles and words put on the paper without any logic in them. I have to admit in all honesty though that I found two persons whom I like and have a lot of quality in their productions.
However, I can't stay on the side and let such an aberration go by, "glossa a new form of poetry"...
Don't forget that when you post something on a world-wide forum, you take the risk to be read by people who might know more than you do, and if you are not careful with introducing the topic, this is what you get...
I am sorry if I offended you, however there is a price to pay for ignorance and arrogance, (five books on poetry forms and glossa is not present)... I am sure that on the sixth one you will do some more reading...
Maybe you should modify your rules: "Each member is urged to make evaluative comments on one another's offerings" to each reader of the community...."
In this case my evaluation would have not been so shocking... I have a different style of evaluating when I see poor language, as you pretend it is...
Or, of course, you can open it up only to members...
Also, a secretary is not lowly. I wish I had one! Someone to keep me on task and prompt and focused and organized...indeed, I need one.
I've so far used two poems and one piece from an instruction manual.
About your comment on too many make you think of the act of writing rather than the writing itself, it could be that some (all) forms are "for you" if that makes sense.
This is a big question(s). I'm not in a space mentally or physically to address them, but I hope to be soon.
From that perspective, your glossa would be a natural. I'm planning on doing one from the text of the bible myself.
Here is my first attempt--though as I think Veronica said, I forced a rhyme in at least one of my stanzas, I know. ;P Maybe next time I'll avoid that.
I'll try to find the time to give this form a try... an excellent discovery, dear girl.
I shall attempt this form. In essence it seems to be a matter of choosing a text and writing a gloss on it, much as a preacher may take a passage from scripture and expand upon it.
Good comparison, Mike.